<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR class=eventdetail2 vAlign=top bgColor=#ffffff><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>1</TD><TD>Greg Raymer</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>1,064,000 Chips</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>0</TD></TR><TR class=eventdetail2 vAlign=top bgColor=#f2f2f2><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>2</TD><TD>Rodney Pardey Jr.</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>1,041,000 Chips</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>0</TD></TR><TR class=eventdetail2 vAlign=top bgColor=#ffffff><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>3</TD><TD>Brad Kondracki</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>962,500 Chips</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>0</TD></TR><TR class=eventdetail2 vAlign=top bgColor=#f2f2f2><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>4</TD><TD>Johnny Howard</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>910,500 Chips</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>0</TD></TR><TR class=eventdetail2 vAlign=top bgColor=#ffffff><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>5</TD><TD>Bob Larsen</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>796,500 Chips</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>0</TD></TR><TR class=eventdetail2 vAlign=top bgColor=#f2f2f2><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>6</TD><TD>Tim Phan</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>746,000 Chips</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>0</TD></TR><TR class=eventdetail2 vAlign=top bgColor=#ffffff><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>7</TD><TD>Phil Ivey</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>722,500 Chips</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>0</TD></TR><TR class=eventdetail2 vAlign=top bgColor=#f2f2f2><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>8</TD><TD>Steve Marx</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>679,500 Chips</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>0</TD></TR><TR class=eventdetail2 vAlign=top bgColor=#ffffff><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>9</TD><TD>Shane Bartholomew</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>659,000 Chips</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>0</TD></TR><TR class=eventdetail2 vAlign=top bgColor=#f2f2f2><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>10</TD><TD>Gabe Wells</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>655,500 Chips</TD><TD class=eventdetail2 align=left>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
I agree, that'd be insane. But Phil Ivey needs to win, him or Raymer.
Ku, why ain't you there? And don't say it was cuz of work, cuz god knows you don't do shit anyway. And don't say cuz of the GF either, cuz god knows you could care less about that. I'm disappointed. And where you at in the Harry Potter thread? Juice and I are making thread history here...everyone's a closet harry potter fan, they just don't know it yet.
Ku, why ain't you there? And don't say it was cuz of work, cuz god knows you don't do shit anyway. And don't say cuz of the GF either, cuz god knows you could care less about that. I'm disappointed. And where you at in the Harry Potter thread? Juice and I are making thread history here...everyone's a closet harry potter fan, they just don't know it yet.
Luck or skill?
<TABLE class=cpblack cellPadding=5 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=484 bgColor=#eaeaef border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=log width=75>Date / Time:</TD><TD class=log>2005-07-11 23:12:00</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log>Title:</TD><TD class=log>Raymer!</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log vAlign=top>Log:</TD><TD class=log>In the very seat where the last player was eliminated, a player is seated and immediately picks up pocket 10's. This player moves all-in, who is called by none other than Greg Raymer, who has none other than pocket Aces. There is no help for either on the board, and Raymer eliminates yet another player.
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=484 bgColor=#eaeaef border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=log width=75>Date / Time:</TD><TD class=log>2005-07-11 23:07:00</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log vAlign=top>Log:</TD><TD class=log>With theboard showing K-J-5-7, Raymer calls an all-in. His oppoent shows K-5 for two pair, while Raymer shows K-7 for a better two pair. The river is a blank, Raymer eliminates another, and now sits atop a stack of $1,000,500.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=484 bgColor=#eaeaef border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=log width=75>Date / Time:</TD><TD class=log>2005-07-11 23:05:00</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log>Title:</TD><TD class=log>Raymer Going Strong</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log vAlign=top>Log:</TD><TD class=log>Greg Raymer is approaching $1,000,000 as he busts yet another player when his Aces hold up against Kings.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=484 bgColor=#eaeaef border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=log width=75>Date / Time:</TD><TD class=log>2005-07-11 20:04:00</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log>Title:</TD><TD class=log>Raymer Busts Another</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log vAlign=top>Log:</TD><TD class=log>Russell Banes goes all-in preflop with J-J and is called by Greg Raymer, who holds Q-Q. The board comes 10-9-5-K-3. Raymer busts Banes and now has $545,000 in chips.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE class=cpblack cellPadding=5 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=484 bgColor=#eaeaef border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=log width=75>Date / Time:</TD><TD class=log>2005-07-11 23:12:00</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log>Title:</TD><TD class=log>Raymer!</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log vAlign=top>Log:</TD><TD class=log>In the very seat where the last player was eliminated, a player is seated and immediately picks up pocket 10's. This player moves all-in, who is called by none other than Greg Raymer, who has none other than pocket Aces. There is no help for either on the board, and Raymer eliminates yet another player.
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Racer X said:Luck or skill?
<TABLE class=cpblack cellPadding=5 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=484 bgColor=#eaeaef border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=log width=75>Date / Time:</TD><TD class=log>2005-07-11 23:12:00</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log>Title:</TD><TD class=log>Raymer!</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log vAlign=top>Log:</TD><TD class=log>In the very seat where the last player was eliminated, a player is seated and immediately picks up pocket 10's. This player moves all-in, who is called by none other than Greg Raymer, who has none other than pocket Aces. There is no help for either on the board, and Raymer eliminates yet another player.
</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle bgColor=#ffffff colSpan=2></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=484 bgColor=#eaeaef border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=log width=75>Date / Time:</TD><TD class=log>2005-07-11 23:07:00</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log vAlign=top>Log:</TD><TD class=log>With theboard showing K-J-5-7, Raymer calls an all-in. His oppoent shows K-5 for two pair, while Raymer shows K-7 for a better two pair. The river is a blank, Raymer eliminates another, and now sits atop a stack of $1,000,500.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=484 bgColor=#eaeaef border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=log width=75>Date / Time:</TD><TD class=log>2005-07-11 23:05:00</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log>Title:</TD><TD class=log>Raymer Going Strong</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log vAlign=top>Log:</TD><TD class=log>Greg Raymer is approaching $1,000,000 as he busts yet another player when his Aces hold up against Kings.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=484 bgColor=#eaeaef border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=log width=75>Date / Time:</TD><TD class=log>2005-07-11 20:04:00</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log>Title:</TD><TD class=log>Raymer Busts Another</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log vAlign=top>Log:</TD><TD class=log>Russell Banes goes all-in preflop with J-J and is called by Greg Raymer, who holds Q-Q. The board comes 10-9-5-K-3. Raymer busts Banes and now has $545,000 in chips.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
LUCK Racer X 100% LUCK..you can be the greatest player like doyle brunson but if you do not pick up cards you get nothing...its 100% luck with raymer IMO ..the way this guy is getting cards like AA and QQ a few times ANYONE from the street can win the WSOP getting all these good cards..NO SKILL involved
PH, he is picking up AA QQ AA KK 2 higher pairs on all in's...im sorry man right now its ALL luck ...do not get me wrong the guy is good..almost goofy when he puts on those stupid glasses but he is ALL luck at this moment...
you OR I could win it if we picked up those cards all tourney Sir
you OR I could win it if we picked up those cards all tourney Sir
Dante Luv Ya Man But
You`re wrong here. Of course he`s had his share of luck but they all have. There is far more luck involved than most will admit. There`s a fine line between the top 30 or so players in the world, skill wise. So yes luck IS a big part, but this guy`s style of play is passive/agressive, agressive/passive and he switches back and forth very nicely. His demeanor is calm and he`s courteous to the other players. I think he`s genuine and will be around for a long time. I hope he or Lederer win it.
You`re wrong here. Of course he`s had his share of luck but they all have. There is far more luck involved than most will admit. There`s a fine line between the top 30 or so players in the world, skill wise. So yes luck IS a big part, but this guy`s style of play is passive/agressive, agressive/passive and he switches back and forth very nicely. His demeanor is calm and he`s courteous to the other players. I think he`s genuine and will be around for a long time. I hope he or Lederer win it.
Dante,
Everyone in the tourny is picking up hands... There was 5600 people in the tourny and its been going on for days. U don't think each player has picked up premium hands multipule times... A great deal of skill and luck is needed to win a tourny of this size. Everyone left, I am sure has sucked out or had a rush to still be in it. Have to give the guy credit.
Ku
Everyone in the tourny is picking up hands... There was 5600 people in the tourny and its been going on for days. U don't think each player has picked up premium hands multipule times... A great deal of skill and luck is needed to win a tourny of this size. Everyone left, I am sure has sucked out or had a rush to still be in it. Have to give the guy credit.
Ku
Dante you could make the same arguement with Doyle Brunson. In 76 Doyle had 10 2 vs Jesse Alto A J. Flop comes A J 10. Jesse bets Doyle goes all-in,(probably worst all in, in finals history) 2 on turn ten on river, perfect perfect. Doyle wins first world series. In 77 Doyle 10 2 vs Bones Berland 8 5. Flop comes 10 8 5, Doyle again makes a full house and wins his second world series. That's alot of luck also.
I think it is about 40% skill and 60% luck in the WSOP....
If anyone gets a chance, read the book "The Professor, The Banker, and the Suicide King". It's about the biggest cash game ever played.
If Raymer were to ever sit at a cash table with Ted Forest, Barry Greenstein, Howard Ledderer, and Doyle Brunson for 24 hours, i can virtually guarantee you that at the end of the 24 hours the only thing Raymer will have left is those crazy glasses....
If anyone gets a chance, read the book "The Professor, The Banker, and the Suicide King". It's about the biggest cash game ever played.
If Raymer were to ever sit at a cash table with Ted Forest, Barry Greenstein, Howard Ledderer, and Doyle Brunson for 24 hours, i can virtually guarantee you that at the end of the 24 hours the only thing Raymer will have left is those crazy glasses....
Dante said:
Granted this is a lucky rush he is on in this tourney to have the chip lead, however it does take some skill to know how to get the most out of those hands by throwing out proper "teaser" races and what not. He is a damn good player, there is no questioning that. He was nowhere near as lucky on cards as Moneymaker was the year before. Lost in the shuffle is all the hands we don't get to see on TV. Those are very important also and are often what seperates the best from the wannabees. I think you are shortchanging this guys ability drastically.
